Re-Mapping Pain: A Conversation with Court Wing


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Touch with Substance Special Presentation:

In Conversation on Chronic Pain with Court Wing of Remap Therapeutics and the Psychedelics and Pain Association

Dear Community,

In this expansive episode, Sabrina and I welcome Court Wing, founder of Remap Therapeutics and the Psychedelics and Pain Association. Court is a leader in the psychedelic pain care landscape, for a deeply felt conversation on chronic pain, somatic intelligence, and the paradoxes of change.

Court brings a rare blend of sports science, injury recovery, and psychedelic-assisted practice to the table. What unfolds is not just an interview, but a three-way dialogue between colleagues who are committed to reshaping how pain is held both in the body and in our cultural narratives.

Together, we explore:

  • Why chronic pain is not just physical and what it means to shift from fixing to relationship.
  • How pain can become a learned behavior in the brain and why psychedelics or ketamine might help re-pattern that loop.
  • The surprising overlap between trauma, identity, and pain, especially in psychedelic states.
  • Why multi-modal and collaborative care models including spirituality are needed with chronic pain cases.
  • A candid conversation on both the tension and middle path between biomedical and spiritual models of care.
  • A review of Psychedelic Outlaws by Joanna Kempner, PhD.

Court shares stories from the early days of Remap, reflections on how somatics and psychedelic care intersect, and a refreshing honesty about what’s working and what still needs changing in our respective fields.

This episode is especially close to my heart because it centers a truth we don’t say enough: chronic pain deserves nuanced, collaborative care that honors the whole person.

Thank you for walking this path with us.

With care,
Suz
Unwind Learning

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Suz is the Managing Owner at Unwind Oakland, Unwind Learning, and Touch with Substance. Designed above-ground Ketamine-Assisted Massage Therapy and bodywork (KATM) in partnership with KAT and KAP providers as well as developed psychedelic/entheogenic preparation and integration bodywork methods. In 2023, published the first NCBTMB board approved continuing education course for massage therapists and bodyworkers on the topic of psychedelics and entheogens: Introduction to Psychedelic Conversations and the Massage Table. Completed core facilitator training at Sacred Garden in 2024. She is continuing with their Ordained Facilitator Training (in progress). Active participant in the process of crafting the details of California Senate Bill 1012. Suz stands for equitable access to services, a broad pool of facilitators, and the protection of sincere religious practice including indigenous autonomy. Teaches workshops such as Ethical Safety and Support Touch for Guides, Traditional Healers, Psychotherapists, and Witnesses in multiple languages and in cross-cultural groups. Working with Ethical Psychedelic International Community (EPIC) to seed public guidelines and resources on psychedelics and touch. Producing the upcoming Touch with Substance Conference (2024). When she’s not at the office, she’s enjoying time with her dog and exploring Oakland where she’s lived since 2003.

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